Wednesday, July 31, 2013

are people who do NOT hit and run anytime they get ahead a donkey or no?

well, so far Josie's been quiet, and so have most others about that $1400 job training offer, and who says id be $20k in debt instead of just the $1400?

really dont know what i should do, didnt think about a huge debt when i first thought it was a good offer. what id really like is to have the same offer somewhere other than San diego, where i could still get help getting a sizeable amount upfront (wonder how they get away with that) but somewhere else where people like SI and lightning (who work at colleges) would see i get the best education possible, and possibly more money and room and board covered so i wont be homeless. u see if i got $1400 tomorrow id still be homeless, and then id have a large time commitment to studying too. and how do we know if this is a school that helps people get good jobs, or really just takes the govt aid and dont do all that much to help u later on? so where should i go and do something like this? would appreciate a much better offer with housing if SI and lightning know how to do it and also how to get the money QUICK. some of the posters seemed to think i could get a better deal with a better college, but why assume this college sucks?

all i know is i need sleep immediately somewhere. i am mad i had my $40 at barona up to $75, and didnt immediately hit and run on my BB. if i had, my roll wouldve been $713 instead of $638. i stayed, thinking i was doing the right thing, because the table seemed to not be playing well, and i felt i was playing my best. isnt that what most of u say i shouldve been doing all last year?

then i lost a pot with AA, a guy makes it $11 preflop, another guy calls, i shoved my $72 and a shortstack calls with $35 allin both the original 2 fold, which surprised me. (seeing one of them also had less than me). flop comes KQT and he has KK, and i knew i wanted no face cards on the flop. so i ended the hand with $37 and pissed. but i again kept playing since i felt i was still playing well, and the others werent.

and then i lost the rest shoving preflop with AQ after the guy whose running hot and bluffing makes it $12 in EP, and i push my final $26. only he calls, and he has 77. so we are 50-50. he says he has a pocket pair, and the flop comes A47 so i am feeling good knowing he has a pocket pair, but it was the wrong pair. then i left pissed i didnt hit and run earlier.

normally it wouldve been a good idea to stay, but should my micro bankroll made a difference? i dont fucking know, but i do need to hide and sleep. or i wont be up in time to take the 815 back into downtown san diego. (actually el cajon and then some trolley rides or bus rides). giving back the whole $75 makes me sick, thats way too much money to lose in a poker game if u are someone who depends on winning to survive. maybe i should do all my playing at the village club in the omaha? i just felt it would be a more unsafe area to sleep at night in any shopping center near there. and that game in sacramento sounds good, the guy on 2+2 claims he beats it but he beats it buying in $100 in it instead of $20, so not sure why NCKPA says the rake isnt beatable. the guy on 2+2 is "i make posts"

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  1. Losing $75 in a poker game makes you sick ...

    Tony, have you ever picked up one of those "you might have a problem if?" gambling help brochures you find everywhere in a casino? You'd probably answer yes to every question.

    And yes, I realize that successful professional gamblers answer yes to 70% of the questions in those brochures. But not 100%. There are always a few that successful gamblers must still be able to answer no to.

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  2. The thing with taking the 815 into the city is you'll find there's a whistle up above so people will push and people will shove. But on the bright side, the girls try to look pretty. It's really all about takin care of business.

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    1. If you ever get annoyed, look at me I'm self-employed. I love to work at nothing all day!!

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    2. I hope to see Bachman & Turner in concert in about six weeks. Can't wait!

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  3. Tony, good luck with the interview. Remember, if they ask you to take your pants down, this is NOT normal and should raise a red flag.

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  4. Tony, just read the entire FB string. If you choose to go home to Kansas, I'll put $100 towards whatever means of travel you choose. If you buy a ticket yourself, I'll reimburse you (once you are actually home). Or, if some others want to collectively pool some money, I can work with them to get you a ticket.

    Last chance offer . . . I hope you take it . . .

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    1. tony ,if u dont do this. u r pretty dumb. sorry to b so blunt. ppl i have known in the past, that were homeless would kill 4 these chances. damm , i would kill 4 some of these opportunities. i am filling out apps looking 4 jobs and pleading with that zin dude 4 a chance. but not tony .he is a poker player. lmao. but i dont worry about u ,tony. the reason being u r the person that will get hit by a car and get a insurance settlement or get govt handouts.

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    2. i tried zin too, but he needs someone with a license, guess it involves driving. i wish when i had the money to pay to learn id got a car to live in now and store my things. wouldve saved me tons of hotel costs and id have a nice roll still.

      and if u really want to go the student loan route, do it tomorrow and tell me how it worked.

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    3. You are not smart enough to understand that the car would cost you tons of money....insurance, registration, license plates and other fees.

      Wishing and hoping again.

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  5. Tony -
    I've been reading your blog for a year or so now. In all that time, I can't recall you ever having a bust out session where you won several buy ins. These bust out sessions are normal for winning players; in fact, a winning player can lose 3 out of 4 sessions so long as the 4th sessions far outpaces the prior 3.

    That said, I don't believe you're even winning 1 out of 4 sessions - I believe you're probably break even AT BEST. I don't mean to discourage you from playing, because for all I know, you could simply be running bad - experiencing perpetual variance, but from all that you write in posts & comments, I don't believe you are a winning poker player.

    A few items of evidence from which I draw:
    1. You frequently get upset at being on the losing end of hands, be they suckouts or 50/50 beats. A professional cares for a second, but forgets about it and moves on to the next hand.
    2. You allow your emotions to affect your game. Your legendary outbursts (admittedly, which have been seemingly limited lately - that's good news!) speak volumes.
    3. You are playing on a shoestring budget, which has continually affected your game.
    4. You don't have the discipline to get up when you want to get up. (I don't care if you're in a *GREAT* game - the game will be there tomorrow, and it'll be just as good. If you're on a shoestring bankroll, booking a win is far more important than playing in a good game. If you win $50+ which is a major percentage of your bankroll, you should book the win and either go south, i.e. switch tables and pocket your profit, or leave the casino and come back an hour or two later.)
    5. You appear to refuse to read / learn more about the game. I've never read a post talking about strategy; I've read you time & time again shove AK, AQ, play tilted and wild. Why not, in your copious spare time, sit down with Prof. No Limit Holdem Vol. 1 *AS A STARTING POINT* and read up on SPR. Why not sit down on 2p2 and read up on some new thoughts or strategy. Why not read up on the web about unexploitable short stack strategy? FWIW, I've never read of you doing this; if you did, you'd know that when you're suddenly sitting at the table with double+ your buy in, you get up & change tables.
    6. You're a drifter chasing the "easy money." The easy money is wherever you are; you need to be good at the game to collect the easy money, thus making it not "easy money," but work similar to that of a professional.

    What does all of this lead me to conclude? If I were you, I'd get out of the game. I'd seek reliable employment elsewhere. I'd recognize that I have a problem with gambling and seek help to solve that problem. I'd look at my poker logs and verify that I'm a losing player - and be honest with myself about that assessment.

    Look, the reality is I can't really relate to you. I can try to help you when convenient. I don't know why I wrote this comment; it will likely fall on deaf ears. Perhaps not; I hold out hope for you.

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    1. i do get up and leave when i double a short stack but not til the BB gets to me, kind of dumb to post it and then not finish out the round and sometimes it hurts me but overall it would help me.

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    2. Tony, you've been posting time & time again how upset you get when you're up 2x or 3x and then you drop back down. Unless you're dropping back down within that very same orbit, and it happens seemingly frequently, you're either not disciplined to do that or you have incredibly bad luck.

      That said, I want to reply back to SI's disagreement about getting up from a good game: Basic bankroll management says that you should have no more than 2-5% of your BR on the table at any given time. I'd imagine that % is more restrictive when you consider yourself a "pro," like Tony. In other words, Tony considers himself a pro not because he wins at gambling, but he derives 90%+ of his income from gambling. If he goes broke, he has no backup plan to get new funding.

      Clearly, Tony is on a shoestring gambling budget, and runs the risk of ruin every single day. Therefore, upon a double up of even $40, he's looking at 10% of his bankroll... CHECK THAT - LIFEROLL - CHECK THAT - NET WORTH(!!!!) on the table. Book the win, try to secretly go south with the win, and sit down at a new table.

      I also note that I probably discredit myself by telling Tony to purposely break a black & white rule to most poker rooms, but in the scheme of things, this rule is not an integrity of the game rule or an angle shoot - it's Tony surviving. Take it for what it's worth.

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    3. each time i lost it back before the BB reached me, im not sure why this would be unusual, lots of big swings every hand. but i still say omaha8 is the better game because the pots get high enough to overcome the rake.

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    4. You make a good point, PM. It would be a large % of his roll at risk. And, Tony's very results oriented and the differentiation between a "good" table and a "bad" table tends to be dictated by his stack.

      I retract - perhaps in Tony's very specific situation, booking the win would be the right thing to do.

      s.i.

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  6. The school thing sounds like a scam. You don't wanna have a huge student loan debt even if you don't plan on paying it. It will never go away and if u ever do get assistance they will probably garnish it it pay the 20,000+ debt. I would avoid it. They will mak ir sound like a great deal, but once u sign you are gonna be responsible for the tuition and you won't be attending anyway.

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  7. I was quiet because I've been busy. Work, baseball game, sleep...

    Don't forget to try to post the 10,000th post on RTP for an easy $70.

    And do NOT do this fucking scam.

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  8. Tonys says..."some of the posters seemed to think i could get a better deal with a better college, but why assume this college sucks?"

    Because everything you have posted so far make it sounds like a scam. At best they are going help you load up with student loan, you get to take $1400 off the top, and they let you sit in a classroom for 7 months while learning things of little relevance. At the end of the 7 months, you have a piece of paper that means nothing to any employers.

    Have you seen their website? It is laughable.

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  9. Tony Tony Please do not come to Sacramento and the Lucky Derby. I live up here and they will eat your lunch. I do not care what 2+2 says. These guys have bankrolls. These guys are retires with money. They can lose 1000 a day and laugh. Can you????? I am going to suggest you try and get off street or go home and rest for at least 2 months. Gambling is not going anywhere. Vegas will still be there whenever you want. I know you will go on doing what you think you have to do.

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    1. what id like once i arrive in town, is for YOU, NCKPA, and I make posts on 2+2, to each evaluate my play over the course of an hour or so, and then see what im doing wrong if any to become successful.

      u see if im going to insist on trying to make a go of it at poker, the most important thing i should be doing is trying to better my game as much as possible. and for me that means posting in forums, NOT browsing training sites, but 1-1 interaction with others who play for a living instead of just part timers.

      im sure the omaha8 is probably more beatable at the derby but requires a better roll. how late do both those games go?

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    2. So NOW that you are homeless and the sock roll is dwindling you want to study the game and get better - hahahahahaha

      Go home Tony - this wont work with you at the helm.

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    3. In all honesty Tony, I have always thought of you as a normal person and given advice as such. But as time goes on, it is sad to say, that I am starting to think of you in a much different fashion -- You know when you visited the place loaded with "retards" (in your own words), I don't think you quite understand that you look more and more like one of these retards. I thought you were different than the other homeless idiot retards.

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  10. Tony, how did it goes with this morning's appointment?

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    1. josie and another lady told me i shouldnt go and i listened to them.

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    2. Boooo! Booooo on Josie and another lady....boooo!

      I was looking forward to hearing more about that scam. I'm guessing they're trying to get people to apply for financial aid to fund their awful school, but I was curious about their pitch and how they would actually get you $1400.00 up front.

      Booooooo on the do-gooders!!!!!

      s.i.

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    3. xactly wtf. scam spam .who cares. just add it to other bills that tony has.

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  11. I really think you should join a fraternity. You would get some fin aid money, an education, housing, friends, girls, soft frat games, etc. GL

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    1. confused, explain how this works.

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    2. Frats have the easiest games. This is the golden idea you've looking for. It's like a big poker party, with housing, food, girls, etc. I hear the PKA's or Tri-Deltas are cool.

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  12. Tony:

    You and I have talked about the college thing before. We talked about it in that Burger King after your Legal Aid meeting. Remember?

    It's simply not a reasonable plan for you. You need to apply to college, which typcially takes place January of the year before you would matriculate. You need to complete a FAFSA form, providing a ton of information that you almost certainly don't have. There will be questions about tax filings, verification of graduation from high school, transcripts, etc. You don't have any of that. And, there are deadlines and processing timelines for all of that. It takes a lot of time for a college to approve your application and time for the federal govt. to forward your aid letter to the Financial Aid office and for that office to process it.

    You have not shown yourself willing/capable of scheduling and following up with a simple lawyer/doctor appointment - how are you going to accomplish any of the things listed above? And, even if you convinced someone to do it for you (I won't. I think there is a zero% chance of you following up and I will not put in that effort.), you would be looking at a time period of months at any almost any state school. There may be some for-profit schools that have quick turn arounds. Perhaps this guy handing out fliers to homeless people works for one.

    I don't understand your goal here. Is it really that you decided to change your life and now want to pursue a college degree so you can then pursue employment opportunities? It doesn't seem possible that this is now your goal when you've never shown any interest in any job and you've never shown the discipline it would take to study poker, let alone a college degree. That would require you studying every night. You've done absolutely nothing to indicate you would be interested in that or that you are capable of that; I'm not speaking of your intellect, but rather your commitment and your ability to follow through with ANYTHING. If this is really about you getting into a college so you can improve your life, I would be happy to talk to you about it.

    But I don't think that's what you want. You want a free place to stay and money to eat/gamble with. And, for the life of me, I don't understand why you didn't follow through with the Nevada Adult Psychological Services office - it would have taken MUCH less effort and MUCH less time than this crazy college scam. And it wouldn't cost you anything, whereas this fly-by-night college thing would result in substantial debt for you. Now, that debt may only be on paper, and think they can garnishee your SSI for student loan debt, so I'm not sure this would really be a bad option for you. Yes, you would be ripping off us tax payers, if it's a federal loan - but if it's a bank loan, it would be that institution you would be ripping off. Fuck the banks.

    http://www.bankrate.com/finance/retirement/social-security-garnished-1.aspx

    As for leaving a good poker game, I disagree with Poker Meister (although I always enjoy reading his posts, and his blogs!). I think you should stay at a good game and milk those teets as long as the game is good. Yes, the game will be there tomorrow, but it may not be as good of a game.

    Head to KS, Tony. P3 is willing to offset some of the costs, but that offer won't last forever. You're living on the streets with barely 600$ to your name. I keep thinking you'll hit rock bottom, but I have clearly underestimated just how deep bottom must be for you...

    s.i.

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    1. SI, ive never been any good in the job world and i think im unemployable at least one guy on RTP agrees, (u really should see what i post to u there) and mc gee also. I think i agree with pokermeisters advice more as low as the roll is, i should lock up a profit. and im totally convinced mental health would think i dont need their services cause im not suicidal and its been my experience in the OLD OLD days they wont help u as a patient unless u are. all theyd do is say im at the wrong location and go stay at a mission. i will be very interested in looking into work thru opportunity village as soon as im back in town, have changed my mind on that since the need for IMMEDIATE cash keeps increasing, but i have one really big favor, i dont want to go in there alone, want u to go with me so i dont screw it up.

      ive done awful in the work field, always been a failure, but have always been a success in school, i did so well as a kid. so i feel 100x more qualified to do college than a job, and i just want to pick the right one that will let me live FREE and give me enough left over to get on my feet, at least $1500 or more if possible, but i have no idea which school to pick. i had no idea the san diego school had a poor recommendation, i figured they might been quite successful and good at what they do.

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    2. How many jobs have you applied to in the past 20 years? How many of those have rejected you?

      0 and 0?

      What you aren't qualified for is talking about your ability to gain employment.

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    3. tony...why do you think that college is a place where homeless people can go to get free housing and $1,500?

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    4. Tony:

      You say you're "unemployable", and "do awful in the work field", but that you want to go to college because you're good at school.

      I'm all for the value of learning for learning's sake, but it sounds like your goal is simply to go to college, but then never to apply what you've learned to any sort of post-college career. Because you're unemployable. And awful in the work field. Is that correct?

      Just want to make sure that we can drop the whole idea of even entertaining the idea of college once and for all.

      thanks,

      s.i.

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    5. Tony is more afraid of working hard for a living than he is of the effects of sepsis returning to his jaw. It is mind boggling the lengths he will go to to preserve making an effort at anything of real value. But he then tries to bring up the word dignity at times.

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  13. Tony,
    I was at Wrigley Field in Chicago yesterday. as I was leaving the stadium after the game there were a lot of people walking through the crowds that were leaving and shaking a cup of change asking for help. I gave a man $5.00 because he had a nice smile and a positive attitude.

    you should try to get to the stadium where the san diego padres play and panhandle after the games. you could also get to dodger stadium and anahiem as well. and the college football stadiums in the fall. and basketball in the winter. this could be your ticket to easy street.

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    1. Would pay good money to see Tony trying to walk up to Chavez Ravine to panhandle a Dodgers game. Throw a Giants jersey on him and I think it would be fun for everyone...

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    2. Perhaps it may be time to revisit the "Kick Me in the Nuts for $20" idea.

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  14. new roll $614, at one point it was as low as $456, and at one point it was as high as $711. omaha8 $3-6 with a kill can be swingy. But still its the right game for me, (either that or $20 NL which they dont offer here) because u see, i lost $134 in the stud 8 $1-3 game, and ended up only down $17 when i left because of the winning session in omaha. at one point i was up $80 so was up $214 at the time in the omaha8. a much much better game, but oh God the variance because of such big pots.

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  15. Tony, no one here believes you are serious about going to college. Everyone sees through your scam. You just want to get a loan to go to college and then default on it so you can feed your gambling addiction.

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  16. tony, i'm a solidly winning poker player who has logged thousands of hours at limit o8 (and other games) and advise you to stop playing poker while you still have money.

    your entire life roll is 200 big blinds at 3/6. i've experienced multiple losing streaks of that many blinds and more. a couple bad sessions and you could be wishing you still have $600 to your name.

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    1. so surely that means that u dont think someone losing approximately $200 at poker in the 10 days theyve been in cali is "proof" they are a loser at poker and should never gamble. (since u see losing that and a lot more can easily happen to a good player). i could just as easily have a big win, was up $214 at omaha at one point last night, up $80 for the day had i quit immediately after that pot. u should watch me play omaha8 and u would see me playing tight in it gives me a big edge, much better than id get in any NL game

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    2. xactly, tony. keep playing and gambling that is the point of spencers post. LMAO

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    3. Tony ->. I have a challenge for you. Find one person, just one person, who thinks you should continue gambling and have them post here.

      One person...

      Ps. Other than yourself of course.

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    4. tony, i actually do think your nitty game could basically grind out the equivalent of minimum wage in the typically very soft low limit omaha games.

      but there's more to succeeding as a professional gambler than just being able to win in the theoretical. there are many practical issues where you're fighting against a strong current that threatens to drag you out to see. the most important issues in my mind are:
      - financial cushion/bankroll to be able to absorb variance. an example: i have a successful professional poker player friend who is very, very conservative in his play style and a solid winner lifetime (my guess is probably 300k winner plus in last 5yrs) who has already twice in his career had losing streaks lasting over 6 months where he was down 20k+ at the bottom.
      - mental game/tilt control. remember what happened in tahoe in 2011? after losing quite a bit in some standard spots playing in a poker game that was frankly too big and tough for you, you tiltdegened BJ all night and lost how much more?
      - game selection/poker skill. based on your many posts/tweets, you generally don't seem to understand which games you can beat and which you can't, which is a big liability in a professional poker player. after 20yrs of playing poker you still haven't found a game that you can consistently win in and stay put? why are you always traveling in search for a better game than the one you're in? i know i could sit in at least 1/2 of the current 80 or so poker tables in operation in vegas and make money. but more importantly, i know WHICH 40 it's possible to win in (long term obviously), and which 40 it isn't. how about you?
      - general decision making/financial management: how much money did you then spend on a cab to go from tahoe to vegas after i offered to drive you?
      - vbj. no comment needed i hope.

      i've asked you a bunch of tough questions above in the hopes that they might encourage you to see your situation honestly. i'm not trying to be mean, just hoping against hope that something sinks in (not holding my breath though), because i honestly believe that the day you're able to be honest with yourself is the day you'll be able to start down the path towards a happier life.

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    5. i wasnt comfortable riding with u at the time with that much money on me, and not knowing u at all, surely u understand. Ask Lightning. and i left vegas for cali knowing since i was homeless anyway to be where its cool, and where i could still make some money after i went broke (expecting i might). and 3rd, i was aware cali has some smaller limit games that vegas dont offer, particularly in NL. what can u tell me about games in cali i still havent been to yet?

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  17. tony, i'm a solidly winning poker player who has logged thousands of hours at limit o8 (and other games) and advise you to stop playing poker while you still have money.

    your entire life roll is 200 big blinds at 3/6. i've experienced multiple losing streaks of that many blinds and more. a couple bad sessions and you could be wishing you still have $600 to your name.

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  18. new roll $612, sitting in the lobby of Barona so i can plugin a laptop and have free wifi, didnt really come here to play anything, am too afraid of losing at $40 NL even though its a better game than $1-3 stud. broke close to even the entire day.

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  19. The $40 No Limit.

    Does this mean the Max buy in is $40?

    How much is the rake?

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    1. no it means the min buy is $40, and the rake is different at each casino. the important thing to know is its taken UPFRONT, as soon as theres a flop no matter how small the pot.

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