Monday, September 9, 2013

Quiz--what would u do

how would u play the following hands? am down to my last $27 out of $166 i once had on UP, but cant see any major errs i made, and i think since its only like 10-12 buyins its just normal variance and not something i should be upset over if i had a bigger roll.

hand number 1.


Hand #14450831, Hold'em, 9 players
NANHEE posts small blind (0.10)
Rhino posts big blind (0.25)
IamaNooblet posts (0.25)
Shark-1 posts (0.25)
cold fish is dealt down
NANHEE is dealt down
Rhino is dealt down
IamaNooblet is dealt down
madd5400 is dealt down
4Chinit is dealt down
dietpepsi383 is dealt down [Kc Kd]
Shark-1 is dealt down
IamaNooblet checks
madd5400 folds
4Chinit raises to (0.50)
dietpepsi383 raises to (2.35)
Shark-1 folds
cold fish folds
NANHEE folds
Rhino folds
IamaNooblet folds
4Chinit calls (2.35)
flop: [6c 8c 7d]
4Chinit checks
dietpepsi383--ok what would u do in this spot? UP hand histories suck, u have to erase one line at a time instead of selecting all and erasing, and they dont copy and paste the best either. they dont show stack sizes either. but we both had like $10-12 left in front of us. and it seems the pot was like $5. the results will be shown later on.



Hand number 2.

Description
Hand #14449526, Hold'em, 9 players
Mike 41010 posts small blind (0.10)
Rhino posts big blind (0.25)
cold fish is dealt down
Mike 41010 is dealt down
Rhino is dealt down
pitiedkinkju is dealt down
madd5400 is dealt down
itsprudence is dealt down
dietpepsi383 is dealt down [Qd Kc]
usaanuar is dealt down
Shark-1 is dealt down
pitiedkinkju folds
madd5400 folds
itsprudence folds
dietpepsi383 raises to (0.55)
usaanuar calls (0.55)
Shark-1 folds
cold fish calls (0.55)
Mike 41010 calls (0.55)
Rhino folds
flop: [6d Js Ks]
Mike 41010 bets (2.34)
dietpepsi383 calls (2.34)
usaanuar calls (2.34)
cold fish folds
turn: [4c]
Mike 41010 bets (4.25)

action is now to me, what should i do? im dont think he has me beat, and i dont want the caller drawing with such a draw heavy board, i have about $13 in front of me, usaanuar has somewhat less, about $10-11 i think, maybe slightly less, and mike has just a little more than me.

Hand #3.

Hand #14448168, Hold'em, 9 players
dlman posts small blind (0.10)
DoctorBurger posts big blind (0.25)
Mr.Biachi is dealt down
Rhino is dealt down
dietpepsi383 is dealt down [Ad Qc]
dlman is dealt down
DoctorBurger is dealt down
trdice is dealt down
cold fish is dealt down
trdice calls (0.25)
cold fish folds
Mr.Biachi calls (0.25)
Rhino raises to (1.25)
dietpepsi383 calls (1.25)
dlman folds
DoctorBurger folds
trdice calls (1.25)
Mr.Biachi folds
flop: [9s Ac 6s]
trdice checks
Rhino bets (3.50)
ok now the action is to me, i got about $15 on me and so rhino has about $10

hand number 4.

Hand #14447487, Hold'em, 9 players
dietpepsi383 posts small blind (0.10)
usaanuar posts big blind (0.25)
cold fish is dealt down
Mike 41010 is dealt down
DoctorBurger is dealt down
dietpepsi383 is dealt down [Qh Jc]
usaanuar is dealt down
Shark-1 is dealt down
Shark-1 folds
cold fish folds
Mike 41010 folds
DoctorBurger folds
dietpepsi383 raises to (0.50)
usaanuar calls (0.50)
flop: [2c 7s Js]
dietpepsi383 bets (0.96)
usaanuar calls (0.96)
turn: [7h]
ok the action is on me, he has less than $4 left and i have just over $11
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Hand number 5.

Hand #14445804, Hold'em, 9 players
stinger630 posts small blind (0.10)
dietpepsi383 posts big blind (0.25)
stinger630 is dealt down
dietpepsi383 is dealt down [Jd Jh]
DoctorBurger is dealt down
bananatoess is dealt down
Hrtlessmnstr is dealt down
BamBamReno is dealt down
cold fish is dealt down
DoctorBurger folds
bananatoess folds
Hrtlessmnstr calls (0.25)
BamBamReno calls (0.25)
cold fish calls (0.25)
stinger630 calls (0.25)
dietpepsi383 raises to (2.50)
Hrtlessmnstr calls (2.50)
BamBamReno folds
cold fish folds
stinger630 calls (2.50)
flop: [Jc Qd 9s]
stinger630 checks
ok action is on me, and both me and the guys im against have $10 or slightly more.

Hand number 6.

i'm getting tired, and i think this hand took place quite a bit earlier so i give up finding the HH on it. i spent about the last 2 hours studying my play, going thru over 400 hhs one by one. (looking for the right hands). suffice it to say i had 68 suited, and limped in late position. mightve called a small raise, not sure. Flop comes up J58 with one club and 2 red suited cards, not my suit. 2 people check, including the possible small preflop raiser to 75c, (not sure) and the guy directly in front of me checks also, now wouldnt u think anyone with a jack would bet that late of position on that board? well i say the odds are a jack isnt out there so i bet about the size of the pot. turn comes 3 clubs, and he checks and i have so few chips left i go allin, and he has J3 suited. then the guy Mike41010 whose been needling my play, (or was that stinger430 or 710suited?) cant remember, anyway kept saying he had a flush draw, but he sure didnt have nothing but a backdoor flush draw on the flop and checking in that late of position allowing for an overcard to hit is a bad play in my opinion. and the needler claims he was trying to sucker me, like id have a reason to bet, most of the time id checked along, he sure wasnt after a checkraise, he was an unknown player, not one of the followers, just a donk, not one of the guys i see repeatedly sitting at my tables.
so here i am, going to bed, dead tired, total roll $709, with 836XP of the 1000xp needed. But im down to only $31 on UP i did so awful today. lost far more there than the $8 i lost taking a break and playing at samstown a couple hours. I want to play on a different site and play the games i do better at, not this shit. i need a different way to earn money than playing UP. But no one can criticize my poker play, thats less than 10 buyins so relatively meaningless in the long run and happens all the time. the thing thats got me so worried is i owe $164+$13 tuesday to keep my room. and once i do have the XP, i wont be credited now til sept 17.

This is the most work ive ever done composing any blog post

27 comments:

  1. Not easy to give good answers because a lot of my decisions would be influenced by the type of player I am in the pot with. You don't give us that information.

    I know your looking for answers like Fold, Raise, Call, and All In.

    But you can not play winning poker without figuring out the type of people your playing against and what it means when they make a specific move. Then you can decide how to counter there move.

    Are they tight or loose?

    Are they aggressive or passive?

    Are they deceptive?

    Do they just call with the nuts to trap you?

    Do they bet with any pair?

    Do they bluff bet?

    Do they bet or call there draws?

    Does this guy only bet when he has top pair and top kicker or better?

    Do they have bet sizing tells?

    Did he just loose a big hand on a suck out and is he tilting?

    etc...

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    1. u dont really know this about random online players, which is why i think Bovada is a better site for me, then they dont know me either.

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  2. Hand 1: 4Chinit opens for a min raise. Your "3bet" basically discounts his open (and all the dead money in the middle - it looks like $0.50 from 2 new players(?) - and open the standard amount for a limper; i.e. ~4x + 1x per limper. In all honesty, you're looking at a pot of $1.10 in the middle - if you call, it's $1.60. I like a raise to $3-$3.25 instead of $2.35. At that point, since you have $10-12 in front of you, you'd have $~9-11 in front of you with $6 in the pot. I'm either overbet shoving all in or pot / shoving turn. You've both commited 15% of effective stacks pre flop; either he's going with his hand or not, though you should never be folding a non-A high flop and trying to get it in.

    Hand 2: You leave out critical information like what type of player Mike 41010 is - is he a LAG? Is he a nuts-only nit? Would he 3bet AK? Also, what is with your weak ass min raise open? If you feel good about this hand, you're set up to shove the turn. To be honest, I don't think just calling accomplishes anything anyway; if you're ahead, shove - you want the draws to call you and they're drawing with half the equity they had on the turn.

    Hand 3: Again, you leave out critical information like how Rhino plays. How often is he raising? Your readers can't make decisions in isolation like this without knowing background of the players.

    Hand 4: Weak ass open and weak ass cbet.

    Hand 5: Mid set - KT, T8 are the only effective hands that beat you. Get it in. $10 should be around a pot sized bet in this spot.

    Hand 6: I have no idea what you're talking about; you took a stab with mid pair and a backdoor flush draw which turns to a flush draw? I can't comprehend what you're trying to say.


    Ultimately - I disagree with your thought that 10 buy ins of loss in a short period of time / hands is a fairly large swing. I don't think it's relatively meaningless in the long run unless you were constantly being sucked out on. If you were getting your money in bad, 10 buy ins is quite a large delta.

    Too bad this is the most work you've ever done in composing a blog post. You should be regularly analyzing your play and posting questions like this. It should be second nature.

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  3. If nobody can criticize your poker play, then why did you bother posting any hands? You're not looking for advice on how to improve ... you're whining.

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  4. "This is the most work ive ever done composing any blog post"

    You've clearly worked hard. Perhaps it's time for a vacation to "recharge your batteries"? At the very least, you should try and get a solid 12 hours sleep before attempting any more work.

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    2. LMAO.come on P3 .he worked hard explaining how he is losing 100 dollars to make 100. that is how the PROS do it.just save some money 4 that bus tix to moms. gl and cya at the soup kitchen. also,i think it is amber alert time 4 lightning.i just hope he is at the 1/2 NL table at golden nugget or at the strip club drinking tallboys and looking at boobies and NOT in a shallow grave outside of JEAN"WHO THE FUCK WOULD VISIT THERE WILLINGLY" NEVADA

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  5. get a job.NEWSFLASH it is hard to make money playing poker .also, water is wet. LMAO.i am wondering what happens first u go broke or the jacksonville jaquars win a football game.

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  6. Hand history aside....because, let's face it, who can be bothered, certainly not I.

    Is the 1000xp what you need to clear your bonus?
    Is the bonus $100?
    Did you deposit $100?

    So, assuming you can stretch that last $31 out to the remaining 164 xp you need....does this mean that all the time you have spent, merely gets you back the money you deposited?

    If so, how does that make you a professional?
    How many professionals make a living playing 10/25c 25/50c poker online?

    Now, I realise you have to grind away this low because of your bankroll limitations...but wouldn't that be the same on ANY site, playing ANY game?

    Good luck getting the rent paid.

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    1. of course who would know id lose? last time they had the $50 bonus i won, so i thought id win again clearing the bonus.

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    2. i think just about everyone except you knew you would lose.

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  7. It would be far more valuable if you actually wrote out/explained each of your bet sequences yourself for us to analyze
    as opposed to my telling you how i would play it. For instance, why did you play AQ passively preflop?
    Why didn't you raise the flop with KQ agaisnt a donk bet?

    I'm chiming in since you asked me kindly versus email. it really is hard to judge or give advice fully without all the info.
    I've been playing on Bovada lately and I never realized how much I rely on VPIP/PFR to analyze my play during and afterwards.
    It really is hard to snapshot a hand history out of context. It is similar to watching poker on TV where you have no context
    because they aren't shoving the rhythm of the game just the crazy hands.

    so normally my advice is going to be it depends on how certain players are playing as to whether you stack off, fold, etc.
    I'll just ignore that and take a stab here. Also, I normally play 100/200NL when I play cash online (infrequently) so my advice could be off at stakes where villain's are more likely to stack off weak.

    Let's analyze your play in general preflop. Most of the hands look ok.

    However, hand 3 is pretty bad. two limps, a raiser and you flat call with a trouble hand like AQ.
    AQ does not play well against 3 others players even in position. I won't bother to explain why as you should know.
    I would prefer to 3bet here (or fold if the raiser is extremely tight).

    QJ you raise too small preflop out of position. It is just bad. Why are you playing six handed anyways?
    Your game is too tight/scared to play six max.

    the other hands look fine preflop.

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  8. postflop...

    hand 1 -> just bet out and be prepared to stack off against most opponents. at these stakes I wouldn't outthink trying to fold to anyone with KK and these stack sizes.

    hand 2 -> At these stakes,I would raise mike41010 on the flop for two key reasons. The flop is dangerous and it is a donk bet.
    If it was a dry board you could call for extra value in a way ahead/way behind spot. As played I think
    you need to get it all in on the turn against this dry card. I shove over his $4.25 turn bet.

    Hand 3-> I dislike how passively you played it pre flop. You hit your Ace and have a decent kicker. At this point you have to get it all in on the flop. No other options.

    Hand 4-> The small raise preflop isn't terrible, but I don't like it in a cash game. Either fold preflop or
    raise large. with such a small raise you are bloating a pot out of position with a weak, trouble hand (QJ).
    As played, your flop bet and sizing is good. I would bet/fold the turn. In general I like betting my good
    hands until someone tells me I am beat. If you check turn you are giving free cards and putting yourself in a spot
    to check/call without defining your opponent's range. On this board I actually am prepared to bet/fold QJ against
    his range. It would take me a long time to explain if you don't follow. I might slow down and pot control on a dry board.

    Hand 5-> pretty easy. I'm betting this flop and never folding. The amount depends on what the stacks left are. I;m not letting a free card peel though.

    Hand 6-> hard to analyze. your flop bet is fine though as usually the opponent on your right would bet with a J.
    what makes no sense is your stack size. If you have so few chips left what was your stack to pot sizing on the flop? If you
    have so few chips in general why did you play a speculative hand in the first place? really can't analze this without a hand history.
    I suspect you were losing and down when you played this hand and tried to get your money back.

    I might need see replies as I am busy as hell at my day job. Again my thoughts are generic here. I would probably need to
    team view a session or two to analyze your online play (you can nut peddle live but not online).

    However, I don't have the time to do this despite receiving numerous offers from friends to coach them in SNGs. Something about
    that family/work/life balance thing getting in the way.

    Now that I spent so much time analyzing it would be helpful if you explain your bet sizing preflop on the QJ hand, why you only called preflop with the AQ hand and why you didn't raise postflop with the KQ hand?

    Good luck...

    PS. I did not proofread this so hopefully my stream of consciousness is flowing correctly...

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    1. Serious question ... do you think Tony actually gives a shit what you think about his play? He stated clearly in his post that he played the hands fine and that nobody should criticize his play.

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    2. i think these guys know i wouldnt be emailing people asking them to comment on the hands if i didnt care what they thought of the play.

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    3. i do think he cares. I don't know if he is capable of adjusting

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  9. long private emails were sent to vook and the poker meister about their comments, too soon to repeat it here since it includes the results.

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  10. Shove

    Shove

    Flat

    Terrible raise, hand is already fucked

    Pot bet

    Too long and rambling, didn't read this one

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  11. You really need stack sizes. I look again today and if notice hand 4 the guy only had 20 or so BBs to start. Really? I find it hard to believe there is anyone trying to make a living playing 25 NL especially on UP. You've probably run bad but reality is how much do you expect to make one or two tabling 25NL?

    I think you can beat it but not enough to support your meager expenses. I still recommend a job of some sort. GL

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  12. Tony, I found hand #6 for you:

    Hand #14372227, Hold'em, 9 players
    710suited posts small blind (0.10)
    _Saint_ posts big blind (0.25)
    _Saint_ is dealt down
    fullhouseaaa is dealt down
    harbak is dealt down
    joelgoodsen is dealt down
    suicidequ33n is dealt down
    easybid is dealt down
    dietpepsi383 is dealt down
    710suited is dealt down [Ts 2s]
    fullhouseaaa folds
    harbak folds
    joelgoodsen raises to (0.85)
    suicidequ33n folds
    easybid calls (0.85)
    dietpepsi383 calls (0.85)
    710suited folds
    _Saint_ calls (0.85)
    flop: [5c Jd 8d]
    _Saint_ checks
    joelgoodsen checks
    easybid checks
    dietpepsi383 bets (3.35)
    _Saint_ folds
    joelgoodsen folds
    easybid calls (3.35)
    turn: [2c]
    easybid checks
    dietpepsi383 bets (7.58) and is all-in
    easybid calls (6.15) and is all-in
    dietpepsi383 is refunded (1.43)
    easybid shows [Jc 3c]
    dietpepsi383 shows [6s 8s]
    river: [Ac]
    _Saint_ player rake contribution is (0.03)
    joelgoodsen player rake contribution is (0.04)
    easybid player rake contribution is (0.47)
    dietpepsi383 player rake contribution is (0.47)
    710suited player rake contribution is (0)
    easybid shows [Jc 3c]
    dietpepsi383 shows [6s 8s]
    easybid wins (21.49)
    rake is (1.01)


    Tony failed to mention he had a blow up in the UP chat box after I flopped 2 pair on him. He proceeded to call me names and incorrectly analyze the play out loud.

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  13. Tony, I found hand #6 for you:

    Hand #14372227, Hold'em, 9 players
    710suited posts small blind (0.10)
    _Saint_ posts big blind (0.25)
    _Saint_ is dealt down
    fullhouseaaa is dealt down
    harbak is dealt down
    joelgoodsen is dealt down
    suicidequ33n is dealt down
    easybid is dealt down
    dietpepsi383 is dealt down
    710suited is dealt down [Ts 2s]
    fullhouseaaa folds
    harbak folds
    joelgoodsen raises to (0.85)
    suicidequ33n folds
    easybid calls (0.85)
    dietpepsi383 calls (0.85)
    710suited folds
    _Saint_ calls (0.85)
    flop: [5c Jd 8d]
    _Saint_ checks
    joelgoodsen checks
    easybid checks
    dietpepsi383 bets (3.35)
    _Saint_ folds
    joelgoodsen folds
    easybid calls (3.35)
    turn: [2c]
    easybid checks
    dietpepsi383 bets (7.58) and is all-in
    easybid calls (6.15) and is all-in
    dietpepsi383 is refunded (1.43)
    easybid shows [Jc 3c]
    dietpepsi383 shows [6s 8s]
    river: [Ac]
    _Saint_ player rake contribution is (0.03)
    joelgoodsen player rake contribution is (0.04)
    easybid player rake contribution is (0.47)
    dietpepsi383 player rake contribution is (0.47)
    710suited player rake contribution is (0)
    easybid shows [Jc 3c]
    dietpepsi383 shows [6s 8s]
    easybid wins (21.49)
    rake is (1.01)


    Tony failed to mention he had a blow up in the UP chat box after I flopped 2 pair on him. He proceeded to call me names and incorrectly analyze the play out loud.

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  14. I think it's all the same now. It won't matter if Tony has $10 or 10,000. He will not be able adjust to different levels of play. He will always be skimming with a small roll. I would bet if you won a 100k it would be gone in 2 years.

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  15. Honestly with $100 I would not be playing 10/.25. I would start by grinding .5/.10 It may be slower bonus whoring but its still 20 buy-ins. 4 tables should not be a problem on most laptops.

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  16. Tony I thought that you liked playing nl online. If you are not into playing on up then you should just not play Internet poker. I don't believe that the variation of poker is the issue poker is poker and you can either beat the game or you can't. I saw fist hand that you can win at live poker and would assume that would translate to success online if you use the same disciplined approach as at live. My recommendation is that you go buy a cheap bicycle and a big box of trash bags and go around collecting plastic bottles and aluminum cans to recycle all day long. If you put in 8 hours a day and go around the strip and casinos you should easily be able to make the $30 a day you need to pay rent for next week and feed yourself. I realize this sounds like a shitty option but since your heart is not in online and you are too broke to play live collecting cans and taking them to a recycling center gets you cash every day. Your only expense would be buying a bike. You will also get lots of exercise so be sure to get a water bottle and eat every day. Invest the $50 on a bike for yourself and start the tbc recycling company. Good luck

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