Thursday, October 10, 2013

Cocksuckers and motherfuckers (me) in the new LVH poker room

theres a huge bathroom inside the LVH poker room, which is nice, and some fairly decent promotions, but theyre not easy to hit. i just walked back to my room out $119 and pissed as hell. I better have another good score in the slot tourny in 40 minutes. Then i might get back $25 or so in free play, sure as hell wouldnt win the $5000 for 1st.

i wonder what RobVegasPokers report will say about the room, it might be a little nicer, although it wouldve been nice had he mentioned the bathroom. Also the Greg who deals there swears he isnt the Greg whose whitcolumn.

My counselor who gave me the shitty advice (which is why i stopped going) said to write down a diary of my feelings (she just didnt say to publish it) so here goes. am still upset Josie thinks i stopped going because i got the package, that had nothing to do with it, i just didnt think her advice was any help. (the counselors advice)

Yeah the game there is $4-8 with $1-2 blinds which isnt a bad deal. about 20 qualify for the freeroll last week for 25 hours play, and they chopped it $190 each is what Luis told me last night. Which isnt bad per hour in earning if u dont lose ur motherfucking ass trying to get the hours in like i did.

Nothing but grinders and 2 possible tourists in there, a man and a wife, and they were about the only losers besides me. and one of the riv regulars who knew me was out about $50. a lot of them most all, only are there for the freeroll. Looks like they are having the same crowd and problem as the riv.

hand 1#

lets start with the hand i remember best the final hand. had about $32 left. had KT clubs, called $6 preflop and the flop was AJT with a royal draw. so i raised and he reraised. turn comes 7 clubs nut flush, and i raise allin. river comes J and he says i wont like this, and im already clenching my phone and glasses so tight as im walking off i almost break them as he shows the boat. that pot wouldve really helped.

hand 2#.

this hand was early on. i had AJ, raise preflop get one caller. flop comes A34, and he check raises me. turn comes A, (and he bets instead of trying a checkraise). so im thinking that means he thinks i have a pocket pair instead of an ace, and i just call. river he puts me allin (i was already very short off my first buyin of $40 before i rebought $79) and he has AQ.

hand 3#.

i had KQ suited, and get raised to $6 preflop. flop comes K89 and i check/call all the way and he has AK, nothing scary comes and i dont remember the exact cards, but the 8 did pair the river.

hand 4#

had the same KQ suited, and flop is 233 with 4 diamonds. turn comes 9 offsuit, and i call another $8 bet. river comes J dia, i check raise, and asian girl whose the guys wife has Ace hi flush and she only calls. i thought she mightve hit flush on the river, but odds are hers is smaller and maybe she only bet cause we all check.

and im sure i lost some smaller less significant ones too. too pissed off to play anything right now, and have no time, slot tourny starts back up 3.45pm and u need to be there 10 min early. im not sure what ill play later and where i should play, but i got out of there mad as hell and came to my room to blog about it to calm myself down. and of course all everyone will do is criticize my play. probably shouldnt called KT suited for $6 but it is a limit game and i was already out over $80. i also can play on Bovada cause ive still got $22 of my last $20 deposit and its also been quite a while since i sold my last ad.

so how do i avoid getting mad? the money means way too much to me cause the stakes are so high. $119 is a ton of money if ur roll is $1435. and now its only $1316. Im lucky its that, if it wasnt for the free $100 i found on my slot card, it wouldnt be that. How can i lose that much in such a tight $4-8 game? no wonder i hate fixed limit, i think that size of a loss was very unusual?

probably i should say FUCK ALL PROMOS and just look for games with tourists? or should i be taking advantage of freerolls and promos? i get conflicting advice all the time, no idea what pokerdogg is talking about when he says i should know what to play

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  1. you would probably do best to find games with tourists and not focus so much on promos.

    there are thousands of other things you could do to improve your situation but this is the advice you are asking for.

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  2. "Nothing but grinders and 2 possible tourists in there"

    So you knew it was not a good game, and yet you played anyway.

    No sympathy.

    If after 20 years of playing you still can't analyze what is a good game to make money in, or you can but you choose to play in the bad games anyway, there's not much more to be said or done about it.

    Incidentally, every last one of the hands you wrote up here involves you starting with classic "trouble hands," ones that are notorious for making good but second-best holdings at showdown. Again, if after 20 years of playing you either don't understand this basic fact, or know it but choose to play those hands anyway (against a table full of nits, no less), I have no idea how to help you.

    Summary of this post: I played a whole bunch of classic trouble hands against a table full of nitty local regulars who were punching the freeroll clock and playing with tighter starting hand selection than mine, and yet SOMEHOW I LOST, GODDAMMIT!

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    1. I think the expected lose-rate in $4-8 limit with $1-2 blinds is 4BB an hour. So starting off with an $80 buy-in should earn you ten hours of play to apply to your freeroll hours. Everybody focuses on hourly win rates but I think it would be more helpful in Tony's case to calculate hourly loose rates....

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    2. i was thinking i should at worst break about even, and then id clear whatever the freeroll value is each week. But luis must be wrong, 20 people dividing up $2500 cant be $190 and then theres a $10 staff fee too. also maybe the players are not all out for free house money, maybe they do try to bite the other sharks. i didnt think they would. Lean how to spell lose.

      overall, i got in 5 hours, and lost $60 since i won $59 the night before. not too bad, and i might have 6 hrs with double hours. saturdays play dont count for the freeroll, only play sun-fri so no way in hell could i qualified, also those who get in only 25 hours instead of 30 are at a big disadvantage, meaning we should all shoot to do 30.

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    3. I am still leaning towards being stuck $200 to get into a freeroll to earn $190....

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    4. "Lean how to spell lose."

      gave me a chuckle.

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  3. Tony, I said you have asked the same question about what to play with a small BR many times before. Others had responded with suggestions before. Why are you still asking the same question?

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  4. I will let others analyze your play. But even if you played them perfectly, KTs wins 60%, AJo 62%, KQs 62%. Those hands expect to lose about 2 times out every 5 times you play them. Why would you get mad? Losing hands is part of playing poker, if you can't deal with it you shouldn't play.

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  5. Tony:

    Quite honestly, I'm never sure how anyone wins at low-limit games. Typically when I'm playing 2/4, 3/6, 4/8, it's too many people seeing flops, too many people chasing draws - no way to protect hands. I did very well playing the 1/5 and 2/6 spread at O'Sheas, but that really was the perfect game of tourists, many of whom had NEVER played in a casino before.

    I would probably have played those hands similarly to how you played them, but Rake is correct in that they're all vulnerable holdings.

    I think the biggest issue is that you've done nothing to address your tilt issue. Yes, losing $100+ is a big hit to you now, but you knew that. There is variance in poker, and you must have known you would have losing sessions. So...knowing you would have losing sessions and knowing you were risking a big hit, why do you struggle so much with the loss?

    Perhaps that Counselor, the one who gave you the "shitty" advice of journaling was trying to get you to reflect on why you feel the way you feel. Perhaps through that self reflection, you would better understand why you still go monkey-tilt playing a variance game where you know going in you will have losing sessions. Perhaps that self reflection could have lead you to understand the emotional triggers and psychological signs of impending monkey-tilt. Perhaps all of that could have lead you to being in better control of your emotions, which may have kept you from future 86's, future losses of friendships, and better play on the felt.

    Perhaps all of the could have happened. But after two sessions you decided to stop...so I guess we'll never know.

    Best of luck...

    s.i.

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  6. Tony, you keep saying the counsellor gave you shitty advice. On what basis did you come to this conclusion? Are you knowledgeable in the area of gambling counselling? Or did you used to go to some other counsellor that were good, therefore you can compare her to others and she is bad? May be you have been followimg her advice, tried to for many months and there was no improvements?

    What exactly were the shitty advice she gave you? As you know, I had seen a gambling counsellor before. It helped me in my case, but it took several months and really worked hard at it. I don't know how you can know in 2 sessions it is not going to work.

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  7. A strange game.The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

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    1. War Games....that brings back memories of good 80's movies....

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  8. No, Tony... I do not deal at LVH. I do know a lot of the dealers there, and they are fine people. No cocksucker, or motherfuckers to be found... Also, from what I have heard of the promotions... especially the 4 flush promo... no one will hit it.

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  9. No, Tony... I do not deal at LVH. I do know a lot of the dealers there, and they are fine people. No cocksucker, or motherfuckers to be found... Also, from what I have heard of the promotions... especially the 4 flush promo... no one will hit it.

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  10. hard to win playing limit poker, also playing grinders and locals for promotions is even harder to win. that said i love playing them as i cant lose everything in one mistake and i love playing against some one like you that goes on monkey tilt when you lose. of course if you win then you are the best poker player in the world.you need to pick your games better and try to only play dem good games as you call them. if i lose a hundred and have played all day or night i dont worry about it because its cheaper than playing a round of golf and betting on it. cheaper than hunting or going out to the bars and honky tonks. also i usally win about the same number of times that i lose. but then i have a house thats payed for and a saving account and having fun is more important than winning for me. thus i tend to win more because of less fear of loseing. i have played poker with you 2 yrs ago at bills and laughed like hell when some guy checked raised you and you ran off just a cussing him. but i have to admit i couldnt live and survive like you have been able to do as long as you have but i fear you are on the long down hill slide that you will never be able to overcome. wish you all the best. but your worst demon is looking when you look in the mirror

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  11. Jeez, where do I begin?

    I saw your tweet about your new post and how LVH should pay for the free advertising you gave them. Imagine my shock when I saw the title of this post. Yeah, Tony, that's great advertising for the LVH, isn't it? Mark should pay you not only from LVH's advertising budget but add some out of his own pocket for the great advertising for the LVH.

    Oh yes, I then saw your tweets back and forth with Alaskagal that you meant that LVH should buy an ad here, not that your newest post (this one) was such great advertising for the room.

    OK, so tell me how you expect ANY poker room ANYWHERE to pay for advertising on this site when you title your post with such disgusting, vile language? Do you really expect a respectable poker room to advertise here with that as the title of one your posts? Really, Tony?

    Then, while I'm trying to figure out what great promos the LVH bathroom has (because that's what it sounds like you said), I see you've somehow brought me into this! Why?

    OK, so I can assure you that I whatever I write about the LVH poker room, I can do it without calling people MF'ers and CS'ers. And why exactly are the people at the LVH poker room worthy of such names? I assume you are talking about the players, not the staff, tho that isn't quite clear and certainly doesn't make the LVH staff look good. But why are the players worthy of being called such names? Because they beat you at poker? Is that it?

    Did they cheat you? Did they collude? No? They just beat you fair and square. So I guess if you had won it would be ok for the losing players to call you the same names?

    And then you say it would have been nice if I mentioned the bathroom? Where exactly was I supposed to mention it? In the blog post on the room that I haven't done yet? And why should I have mentioned it? Are you referring to the pictures on the walls above the urinals?

    Well, ironically enough, I actually DID mention those bathrooms, and the pictures on the walls there. I did it last year, long before they had a poker room there.

    It's in this post here, read it and enjoy:

    http://robvegaspoker.blogspot.com/2012/07/penis-jokes-vagina-talk.html

    I have just one question for you Tony.

    Why? Just.....why?


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    1. of course they couldve called me the same names, had i won, id deserve to be called those names too. who cares what names im being called if im taking the money?

      i meant the huge bathroom INSIDE the new poker room, not outside and theres not only no pics in it, theres no urinal either.

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    2. its still not too bad of promotions there, and i still think i can win, but i cant play looser than i should just because im frustrated im stuck and blinding out not getting anything worth playing. after folding tons of hands, KQ suited looks good and u dont want to fold it no matter what, especially once it improves.

      who can relate to that?

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    3. Oh, so the bathroom INSIDE the new poker room? Since I haven't been there since they moved (all of two days ago), I haven't seen it, thus I couldn't said something about it!

      But I have heard that's its something I should check out.

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    4. how r the bathrooms at binions?

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    5. Functional, anger. And unlike bathrooms at some other casinos, I've never encountered a woman in the Mens Room there.

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  12. Hi Sugar,

    You had to know when nits call you or play back at you, that you have kicker problems at the very least. Those are the kind of hands that look pretty but cost a lot of money. Yes, tourists is who you should be playing against. You know that! You want to be playing against someone looser who has a bigger range than you.

    I was disappointed that you stopped going to the counselor but I was never mad about it. We had a deal and we both stuck to our ends of the deal, as we always do. I was HOPING that after a couple of sessions you'd continue to go. I didn't want to overwhelm you by insisting that you go to too many.

    I don't think her advice was bad at all. I'm guessing in your mind you think so because you write in your blog all the time and think that's the same thing as what she was asking you to do. It's not.

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    1. its hard to find tourists in Vegas, most of them like rooms i seldom go to. i thought id be better off winning house money with other locals off promotions than trying to take money from players, because so many on my blog used to suggest freerolls and promos, but maybe they were wrong?

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    2. You mean most of them go to rooms you are banned from.

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    3. "its hard to find tourists in Vegas"

      Mind blown.

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    4. people go to las vegas on vacation. wow. learn something new everyday.

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    5. God, I had two thoughts when I read this, then I scrolled down to see Dogg and Rake had pointed them both out already.

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  13. WHY DO YOU IDIOTS KEEP GIVING TBC ADVICE? I'VE TOLD YOU MORONS FOR YEARS JUST TO WATCH THE SHOW. ALSO, GOOGLE ASPERGERS AND YOU'LL REALIZE TBC REPETITIVE NATURE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

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    1. One might just as well all-caps yell at folks who scold people who give TBC advice. People have been scolding TBC advice-givers for years and it continues to happen.

      Such is the circle of life...

      s.i.

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  14. new roll $1254 after losing $100 in the V this morning. Had i not won about $75 or so on the VBJ earlier, id done even worse. I went over to the Venetian on the bus with a daily pass i bought early this morning, and lost $100. never was i ahead more than $4, once i got lucky with AJ vs AQ when i was allin for my last $32 and after winning 2 more pots, was back to $95, but then it went bad again.

    saw all different styles of players there, locals, tourists and good tourists. my worst play was calling a raise preflop with KQ suited, calling again on the flop of AK9, turning a flush draw, calling another $20, then mucking the river when i missed. my best play was correctly folding AJ when up against a dominated hand for $12 preflop, and then feeling sick when the board comes AJ3 offsuit and he wins with AK.

    final hand i have AK, make it $12 in EP, get 3 callers. flop comes Q32 offsuit and we all check. turn comes K, asian kid whose playing lots of hands checks, i bet $25 fold, call, and asian raises to $75, putting me allin. i call (mistake i guess) but im too short not to and yeah, he had QK and checked it twice. other guy also called, and mucked the river. no idea what he had. he mucked the river before he even saw his hand.

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  15. Where can you play on the strip?

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  16. Tony the vbj in Reno at circus is called enchanted black jack.

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