Tuesday, April 8, 2014

todays PLO8 tourny at the Venetian

ill bet donkeytax is glad he didnt stake me in it, for i made it only to like 24th place out of 43. most of the money was lost on a flush draw and wheel draw, (down to 4k from 12k) and i was at most 18k early on when av stack size was 13k. blinds moved up very slowly, but i eventually was dying off at 3 BB, and i went allin and lost. i also paid my BB, and then the table immediately broke and i got a new seat in the BB again, when at only 8 BB so that sucked.

but i dont think i played it that bad, just didnt get lucky in key spots. i made one bad call paying off a full boat with a nut flush. and as usual, most of the win today came from VBJ. i was up $84 on it when i sat in the tourny, and then later made about $200 more on VBJ, and then lost back all of it. on the way back to my room to sleep, i spent $11+ at mc donalds for the first time in my life. guess thats what u call an expensive meal to treat myself.

new roll $5967 so im not down that much for the day (although i was over $6200 just a couple days ago). some of that went on things i needed, like batteries, shelter, food, etc. id be in so much worse shape were it not for over $1500 in VBJ wins in the past few weeks.

the only thing i need still before i leave town is the laptop battery im expecting by friday, and the bovada check that might not come til next week. then i can see my family (or go anywhere else).

the $300 i entered the tourny for is one of the most expensive tournies (not counting a couple HU events of NLO8 with yappy dave). in 25 yrs as a pro, thats unusual. and i think its my best game, i just didnt get any decent hands except one aa23 that doubled me to 18k from 9k early on. but it didnt cost me more than $140. i used $160 in comps for the rest. i was sad to miss out on the $2000 payout though for making the money. that would do a lot for my roll, and i thought i had a fair shot at it today.

must admit, i am not used to such long tournies though--maybe more experience in the past wouldve been good. i dont have the roll for $300 tournies either--and u know what? neither do most of those playing in the tourny. (roll is supposed to be $30k).

somehow my sleep schedule got messed up so im no longer sleeping the best hours--and i know im tired now and must sleep. now these are the hours most people sleep--but not for poker players--we shouldnt be sleeping now. and im down to $26 on bovada, took most of it out and lost over half the rest.



56 comments:

  1. Tony- I never give you advice because you never listen to anyone.

    However, I'm very impressed and happy for you to be doing so well.

    I want you to reflect on when your roll was very low. Think back how terribly stressful that was. You need to keep that mentality. Stay TIGHT and don't go crazy playing machines.

    This is when you go monkey tilt and blast off a grand or two.
    DON'T DO IT. Stay tight, stay patient and you'll hit 10k. Just don't get anxious and take your time.
    patience, patience, patience.

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    1. Why does everyone think that Tony had more discipline or lived a better life when he was near broke? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. He was still trying to grind VP or VBJ in Jean or he was spending money to travel to California, where he slept at a spa.

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  2. Tony:

    I don't consider myself a tourney expert by any means, but I do think I do a good job of recognizing the structure and the impact of stack size to blinds. I don't understand how you would ever allow this:

    "blinds moved up very slowly, but i eventually was dying off at 3 BB, and i went allin and lost"

    I can't imagine many circumstances where I would be in a postion of only having 3 BBs. It sounds from your description as if you allowed yourself to get blinded down to only 3BBs, which is really horrible stack mgt. You HAVE to make a move before you get so shallow that you bet doesn't deter a call. You HAVE to play aggressively when you have a stack that still is still large enough to get a fold, even if that means making a move with marginal or even less than marginal holdings in decent position.

    How did you allow yourself to get blinded down that low? Or am I not understanding the play correctly?

    s.i.

    p.s. - you've done an AMAZING job of building your roll. Congratulations, Tony. You should feel a lot of pride in what you've accomplished.

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    1. Getting down to tiny stacks like this is fairly common in plo8 tournaments, largely because of the pot-limit betting structure. While I think Tony's plo8 game needs work, his style is fairly well-suited to tournaments, at least until a short-handed final table.

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    2. well its NOT NL holdem, where u can go allin, all u can raise is the pot, so u can only bet a small portion of the stack preflop. and i couldnt flop any part of a pair or draw every time i tried. i couldnt bluff was too shortstacked either.

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    3. lol - you're right, Tony. My bad.

      s.i.

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  3. Time to see your family, you should be excited to heal with people like your mom and son. Those are the important things. Forget the tourney it is over now. Hope you made the arrangements for your trip home. They probably can't wait to see you! I wish i had a child to spend time with. You're fortunate.

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    2. I think you mean "He's an adult." Probably something to do with that "family values" think you parrot.

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    3. One of the definitions of child is a son or daughter, see here:

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

      Btw, referring to your son as "it"?? How about "he."

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  4. Hey Tony glad to hear you are doing a lot better these days. Keep up the good work and remember patience patience patience is key to consistently growing the roll. Via vbj, poker etc patience & discipline are key. Take care and have a great time visiting your family.

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  5. so im in this church, and Ray is with me, and i dont belong in it and im looking around. then i notice the phone in the other room ray is at with the gun is off the hook, and thats supposed to be a bad sign i read online, means ur partner is in with the cops, and i dont see Ray anywhere. theres some locked doors. so i want to get out of there, and i hear a siren and see a police car, im suddenly in the basement trying to get out, throwing suitcases out the window, and i get out, but im not really outside in an enclosed area with lots of businesses and apartments, and just want to get away quickly as possible. so i run throw a crowd of people into an italian kitchen thru the back door, yelling the word "help" so they dont think im a crook, and im suddenly running thru someones home, and out their front door. again im still outside, not in the open but now behind a fence, and up the street i see a policeman interviewing a guy. (he dont see me, he's far off.) so im heading up the other way thru an alley, and i see a group of men walking their dogs, who are all members of a republican hunting club, and theyve trained the dogs to kill red meat, and im afraid of them going my way. then i woke up

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    1. Tony, I am sorry I just don't follow what you wrote here. Also where is all your dashes like -- that you constantly use when you write now? They are gone in the most recent updates of your blog. On a separate note I will be in LA for a poker weekend if you are around we can meet up.

      MIV

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    2. when on a cell--its hard to type using dashes

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  6. waking up again, 3 hours later--its after 830, surely ive got enough sleep now. yeah i sleep the wrong hours. im in this small cardroom, and playing cash while theres a tourny going on, and i see a fight at the poker table, a lot of blacks and mexicans spewing racial epitaphs. the floor (an elderly lady) orders the dealer that the players must go allin on the next hand (so the table will break and they will all have to sit at different tables). the dealer complains hes never seen anything like it, and proceeds to deal the hand. then they are on break, and im with some asian guy, asking whats up, what started the fight and telling him hes got an excellent case to take to gaming if he loses because her ruling is bogus, she gets very defensive of it, and i worry about being thrown out. we are in a small private residence talking, and watching 2 gay guys make out at the door, one hanging upsidedown, and the asian guy says his kids started it. and i thought yeah if those guys are their dad, no wonder theyre messed up.

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    1. Tony:

      I assume this is a dream you're describing, right? When I first read it, based on how you wrote it, it sounded as if you were describing an actual event.

      Very vivid and fascinating stuff. What do you think it means?

      s.i.

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    1. Twitter post by Tony.
      tony bigcharles ‏@sevencard2003 13m
      Just lost $730 vbj all of u can go fuck urself and especially bovada and the store the laptop battery is being sent to keeping me in town

      Tony, how about putting the blame where it belongs, yourself. Your lack of discipline and inability to control yourself continues to cause you to take one step forward and two steps back. You will never end this cycle.

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    2. How did this happen? Please explain.

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    3. Congratulations. You have had 3 or 4 very lucky escapes on the VBJ machine over the past few days. As usual you didn't heed the warnings. Your good buddy Mr Martingale got you again. Nothing changes in TBCville.

      Koala

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    4. Tony this is a good sign. You now have had your monthly run of bad luck and it will be a full month now of good luck. No more need to run away from Vegas now!

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    5. im not too upset about the loss i expected it, knew it was coming and im still ahead on it overall.

      im upset for how i bet though, the count was negative and i continued to bet high just to double the bet 1-2 more times and made the loss much worse, but id gotten lucky making that same mistake all the last week.

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    6. Acknowledging your mistakes and also that you had been blessed by Lady Luck is a good step in moving forward after the $730 vbj loss Tony.

      Have a nice trip to Kansas and most importantly make some time to relax and enjoy those days there.

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  8. Thanks for ignoring my post Tony. I predicted it, as you are very predictable

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  9. Tony, seriously, please explain how the hell you could lose $700+ on a VBJ machine. Maybe if you explain it, you will realize how idiotic it was

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    1. i think he 4got to pray to r lord and savior.repent sinner

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    2. He can win $70/day 9 days out of 10 by martingaling. So what if he loses $700 on the 10th day?

      9 days winning > 1 day losing in Tony's mind.

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  10. God wanted him to lose, obviously.

    Tony, a while back I asked you why you thank god for things that even a devout Christian couldn't plausibly believe he had anything to do wit. Your response was that the Bible commands you to give god thanks for all things.

    OK, if you really believe that, then how come your Tweet said "all of you can go fuck yourself" instead of "I thank God that I lost $730 on VBJ"?

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    1. i dont think that means to thank God that we sinned. its talking about good things id think. i think i played lazily, not betting correctly because lets face it, playing VBJ the right way (benny, chap and cutters way is much more boring) so i "sinned" by not playing my best.

      its much easier to play my best in Jean, there i can see the benefits of it, due to the much better comps and $1 min

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    2. Where in the Bible is VBJ and comps covered?

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    3. I think that both VBJ and comps are thoroughly covered in the Book of Numbers.

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  11. am proud i played such good poker to win $210 and then make it home to sleep. i think ill play on UP for a while maybe the final $26 on bovada too. new roll $5437, but ive got to stop buying 20 pieces at mc d thats too expensive. they got a sign here at the counter too now they will also sell the 20 piece at breakfast.

    one hand i lost early on which knocked me from $240 to $80 then added $20 and eventually cashed out $330 of my $120 buyin--so a sucess is as follows.

    i had KK and raised to $13, got 2 callers. flop comes 256 with 2 clubs, i have the K of clubs. im first to act in the blind, and i bet $35, one guy folds one guy calls. ten of hearts hits the turn, and i want to shut down all draws, so i shove into his $80-100 he has left. turns out hes already got me beat though--he has 222. still i think a large bet there is the right move almost every time, if im beat he bets anyway and if im not beat giving cards is even more bad. right?

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    1. You don't say what you started the hand with, but, seems unlikely you could get away from your over pair on the board anyhow . . . Plus, even assuming you had him covered, your shove is basically a pot sized bet. I doubt this hand plays out any differently regardless what you do on the turn. Of course, if stack sizes are different, than perhaps it's a different story.

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  12. the fact you have to ask about such a standard hand shows why you're such a broke even nit

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  13. Lost $249 vbj then sat at wynn with $131 and played about 3 hours was doing well and got paid off when I flopped aaa against a good reg. Had my stack up to $326. Then a guy sat on my left bought in $500 and caught him making big raises twice when I was one of the limpers. Left pissed cause I cant play a big stack with him there but really didnt want to go. Am now at the v, still down $44 for today.

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  14. I hate people who buyin big its rude to show off how u have more money and think ur better than everyone else. The polite thing is to always buyin for the minimum. Hated to leave had just ordered a coke and he cost the waitress a tip. I explained why I left so the table wouldnt think I was hitting and running and they looked at me funny as I left

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    1. Translation:

      "Nobody is paying attention to me so I'm going to make outrageous statements and hope someone comments on them."

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    2. lololol
      some people actually want to play poker not short stacking mind numbing 2 card nonsense and they buy in to cover the biggest stack. if you're a good player and properly rolled it's exactly what you should do.

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    3. and of course you were hitting and running.

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    4. Tony:

      That's a bizarre way of thinking, sir. Rude to buy in big? Obviously he wasn't buying in for more than the table allows, so he was following the rules. MOST people buy in for 2 or 3 hundred at 1/2 or 1/3 tables. You're way off base here.

      s.i.

      p.s. - what's up with all the deleted posts?

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    5. well if u are a good player and NOT properly rolled, buying in big (unless u are stuck and on tilt) feels stupid. u have a 50-50 chance of being on the bad end of kk vs aa as much as the good end, so instead of increasing ur edge, all it increases is ur mental stress and variance. and i really didnt want to leave, i wanted to keep playing even after tripling the buyin and wouldve had he not been so agressive. none of the other players bothered me, and i felt like i was being singled out. for what player buys in for the max, and instead of sitting next to the other big stacks who are threats, sits on the left of the short stack instead? all knowledgeable players know to sit to the left of the big stacks, and u want the shorter stack on ur left. when he first sat i had only about half the chips u see as when i left. i limped a9 suited near the button after many callers of a straddle and thats when he raised again, and i had to fold.

      since ive been so poor all my life i feel its rude for people to show off how they have more money than u. that should be understandable to all that its rude. buying in for much more than the rest of the table feels rude. there was only 1 other guy with 500 there but him. (the guy who plays daily who rebought as soon as i beat him with aaa against his 999). it feels to me like people are just trying to show off. now when a guy talks about how poor he is then thats not rude--it makes the other players feel good they arent in that boat instead of depressing them. but to hear a guy brag about his riches? thats rude.

      of course theyres lots of deleted posts--my cell was posting twice. they were duplicates.

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    6. Tony:

      Yes, buying in max for you would have been a poor decision. However, buying in max for someone who is a recreational player and has expendable income might be a perfectly rational decision. You seem to assume his choice of seating was based on YOU. Perhaps he liked that seat (you have a bizarre preference for certain seats, often regardless of stack/table dynamics, so YOU should understand that). Perhaps he wasn't a particularly experienced player and didn't know he should be to the left of large stacks.

      What I'm challenging is YOUR perspective on his actions. His seat selection may have had nothing to do with you. His choice of buyin amount may have had nothing to do with "showing off" and simply was what he could afford to play.

      Rather than adapting YOUR game to understand how to take advantage of a loose player, particularly one who may not have been very experienced, you chose to take it personally. That was your choice - - - and it may have had NOTHING to do with his actions.

      s.i.

      p.s. - why do you overuse "of course"? When used in your closing sentence, it implies that I should have known your cell phone was posting twice. How would I have known that? Why wouldn't it be a rational to think you posted something in anger and then retracted?

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    7. Tony, you shouldn't take randomness personally. Nobody at your table knows anything about you until you open your mouth and tell them. Perhaps if you maintained an optimistic outlook on life in general, you wouldn't be so paranoid thinking the world is out to get you. Meditate, pray, breathe, stretch, or whatever helps you maintain a calm spirit. This will allow you to see the world for what it really is. Good luck.

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    8. Tony, you shouldn't take randomness personally. Nobody at your table knows anything about you until you open your mouth and tell them. Perhaps if you maintained an optimistic outlook on life in general, you wouldn't be so paranoid thinking the world is out to get you. Meditate, pray, breathe, stretch, or whatever helps you maintain a calm spirit. This will allow you to see the world for what it really is. Good luck.

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    9. Tony, you shouldn't take randomness personally. Nobody at your table knows anything about you until you open your mouth and tell them. Perhaps if you maintained an optimistic outlook on life in general, you wouldn't be so paranoid thinking the world is out to get you. Meditate, pray, breathe, stretch, or whatever helps you maintain a calm spirit. This will allow you to see the world for what it really is. Good luck.

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  16. I had aa made it $12 and two called. Flop came a79 with two spades. I bet $15, thankfully they both called turn comes q. Original checker bets $80 guy folds, I claim I have aq so he will think im weaker and say how can I fold this? I was hoping he wasnt bluffing and had a set but if he was bluffing I wanted him to bet river. Blank comes river he shoves and I show my winner, to slowroll him then wouldve been rude. Feel I played it beautifully

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  17. Tony I hate when people buy in for the minimum but I never leave the table and I sure don't even say anything to the whole table. Your banned from 12 of the softest rooms in town. You can't keep your mouth shut. If you think doing stuff like that at the Wynn doesn't start adding up to them finally having enough of you your clueless. Everybody who plays at the Wynn buys in for the full amount. I've always found it odd you choose to play there. It's not the best fit for you.

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    1. He plays there as it is one of the very few Strip poker rooms he has not been banned from. I think the others might be the Stratosphere and The Venetian. Downtown he can now only play at the Golden Nugget.

      Koala

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    2. it actually makes sense for him to play there. most players as jeff pointed out buy in deep, so he gets an edge by short stacking. It is quite hilarious he thinks these people should have to buy in for 60 bucks (or whatever the min is) to placate a short stacker.

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    3. the fact others at the wynn buy in deep (not nearly all) makes it good for me since im buying in $100. mainly, im just happy i can now afford $100 buyins finally since i have over 5k, when i had only 2-3k, was very difficult to afford $100 buyins. really opens up my list of playing options. to gain an edge buyin for a different amount. some gain an edge being the only short stack, and others gain an edge being the only big stack. i think ive done okay at wynn lately because the others dont know my style near as well, because theyve seen me much less.

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  18. am happy to report a small win on the VBJ again, new roll is $5560. ill soon head over to the wynn, the nugget or the V. im glad to have my laptop battery finally, but it looks like still its only 2-3 hours at most without it being plugged in. but thats a lot better than it was. do i need a whole new laptop if i want to use it for 6-10 hours unplugged? am still waiting on vince to give me the debit card and the check from bovada (that hasnt came yet).

    in case anyone dont know, i moved out of Vinces over a month ago and have been living by the stratosphere for easy access to the strip. why else would i have bought a fridge? i didnt want anyone to find out where, but im leaving now anyday. been paying $168 a week with tax. and once i moved out of vince's to be near the good games, thats when i suddenly started winning wonder if they are co-related.

    also the tourny at Planet H really helped--so i credit akgal with a lot of my good luck

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  19. spent the entire day at the V, won $271, new roll $5868 and im too tired to type anymore--must sleep--trying to decide where to go to.

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  20. Actually I have heard of two schools of thought. It is better to do half max buy in to get feel of table then make full buy in when you have decided you like table and the way it is playing. I have also heard buy in max so you can bully people off of hands. There is one guy at our club who is major argo player and will push people off hands unless they are willing to stand up and get stacked. I do not play many cash games anymore because I do not like getting pushed around.

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