Friday, July 18, 2014

hows my play?

even after dropping a ton of money tues and wed nights, im still in relatively good shape before i pay the rent today. i can remember not only when i was better, but also when i was a lot worse. (mostly in the 1990s). but then again, i remember being in AC NJ back then with over $6000, and buying in $1000 in a $1000 min buyin PLO  game with a guy named tuna, and a guy named Sklansky. that was when i used to hang out with Mark Bogart the bum, who was a much bigger degenerate than me, and always lost it playing BJ, and needed rooms all the time. i think he died, not sure. wonder if anyone from ac knew him?

Somehow i need to find a way to get money onto Bovada. im down to about $25, and in a $1 PLO high tourny. I'd gladly pay more than the money is worth just to have a way to deposit. if i run out, im totally screwed, and i can only play extremely low stakes, cant even afford $5 double or nothing sngs. too bad they quit taking NV residents. theres so many people constantly rebuying in this $1 PLO it can get expensive too.

i was in for several buyins this afternoon, eventually was forced to use the ATM, and managed to recover and profit $56. Tonight i never was in for as much, although i eventually was in for $89 instead of $40 or $69. won a big pot, and soon after left after folding a hand i was unsure about, and also feeling like i might now have too many chips to continue playing well. Ended up winning $129 tonight. Finally got over 200 hours logged now.

I'm too old to play longer than 7 hours straight anymore--its been a long time since ive had a 7 hour session. all the sessions ive tracked are much shorter--usually not over 2-4 hours. not only that, my play rapidly deteriorates when i dont feel like sitting there anymore.

Nothing like my old AC NJ days, in which my record at the Taj was 52 hours. of course i left broke, looking for somewhere to sleep and panhandle.

but this is the hand i was questioning--and the more i think, the more i feel i did the right thing. i was talking to a good winning regular at the desk as i was cashing out same time as him, and he says i made a good fold that she hadnt raised all night preflop and was no question she had a bigger pair than me.

i am in the SB for $1, and about 8-9 people limp for $2 preflop. (it was a good game). lot of $500+ stacks too. i look down and find JJ and decide i better narrow the field. (mistake 1, should limp, setmine, and maybe win $350 on the hi hand). i make it $20, hoping thats enough, UTG calls, another guy calls, lady on the button goes allin for about $160, and what can i do? how can she have QQ KK or AA if she only limped the button with that many in front of her and didnt want to narrow the field? but she isnt a regular so maybe she plays unnaturally.

i decide to fold, but it makes me feel like im playing scared money so i left on my BB, all the other callers folded too.

vook? Grump? Pokerdogg? Koala? what did she have?

23 comments:

  1. I played a similar hand a year or so ago in Dover, De. Old nit open limped . . . got 4 or 5 callers. I raised with QQ . . . Old nit shoved (I forget exactly, but something under $200). and it folded around to me in the blind. I said to him, "did you really limp AA under UTG?" He just stared. In my head, I'm thinking, what else could this old man have? Does he really think that I was trying to steal from the blind and, if so, is THIS GUY going to be the sheriff? It wreaked of an old dude trying to get "tricky" in his mind with AA. Yet, I called. And, surprise, surprise . . . he flips AA and I double him.

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    1. i dont consider that hand similar because limping UTG and then shoving aa is quite common, so common in fact, i can play the same way with hands like 78 suited and get away with it.

      people limp in that scenario because they fear getting no action with their aa. but this situation is totally different, a ton of people call $2, and then the button doesnt raise aa? (making it much more likely theyre gonna lose, the pot already has plenty of action by all them callers).

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    2. we both know you don't have the stones to shove 78s preflop for a lot of money
      you're petrified enough as it is with kk when you get 3bet

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    3. Good point. I read you post quickly and thought the woman had limped early . . .

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    4. i do that all the time with 87 suited when i havent got to play a hand in a long time and i want to leave soon, and tired of folding, (and feel like ive easily established a tight image by now) what are u talking about? the only time i'd be that way with KK would be if i was ahead, never once would i hestitate to shove if behind.

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  2. The only hands that a more-or-less average $1-2 player will play that way are (1) A-K, or (2) a medium pair, like 7-7 to 10-10. I probably would have called, unless there were something about her previous play or demeanor in this hand that suggested she was much stronger than that range.

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    1. well i was a little worried if i call, seat 1 would also call with a bigger pair (he called my $20 UTG) and like everyone said, she hadnt raised preflop all night, nor been in many pots.

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  3. now had i been stuck instead of ahead, id have found that call a lot easier to make

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    1. Yeah, this makes sense.

      Are you a poker player or a degenerate gambler?

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    2. Is that a trick question?

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    3. Why does being stuck or ahead have anything to do with your decisions? I never quite understood your tendency to tilt... We've all read for years about your tirades - can you go more into depth as to what goes through your head at the time? Some people report seeing red and having no idea what they're doing, but I have a feeling you know exactly what you're doing. Please elaborate - maybe try to put a post together!

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    4. if i fold, i can go home happy, a decent winner. if i call and lose, i then feel forced to keep playing when im ready to quit, or go home a big loser. either way isnt good for my long term emotional health and tilt propensity, but folding is. People with a larger roll where the $100+ win dont mean as much to them probably shouldnt play the way i do. what works for me doesnt work for others--but its how i make such bank and survive as long as i have.

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  4. "mistake 1, should limp, setmine, and maybe win $350 on the hi hand".....totally flawed thinking tbc. how do you get value by limping? setmine to a 2 outer for what reason? I never pay attention to hi hands, my goal is to extract from my opponents the most money from every hand I DECIDE to play. good luck sir

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    1. quite so. compare the equity in the high hand promo to your equity in the pot.

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    2. considering id be playing the entire hand out of position, being in the SB, im thinking my initial raise mightve been an err. i get value by flopping a set, and having a lot of weak hands in that wouldnt otherwise be in who might hit slightly smaller monsters. Sure my thinking differs from most of the readers, but i average more an hour at $1-2 than many of them, at least they cant do it without buying in huge or playing higher limits. limping the extra $1 avoids all the problems of 3 way action postflop on a flop of QT7 with 2 spades (and me being first to act)

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    3. lol you have an extremely limited poker knoweldge
      you've been a poker "pro" for 25 years and have spent the majority of that time homeless and destitute
      safe to say the vast majority of people on here understand poker better than you

      you think you played the hand wrong bc you're a results oriented nit and the button shipped it

      and stop quoting you average over the last few hundred hands- it means nothing.

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  5. Raise was correct but I would have made it $12-$15. Your goal here should not be stealing 6 $2 blinds. You said you wanted to narrow the field which is correct, it also means you want to see a flop. Fold was also correct, you were behind. You see limping with AA all the time from people who don't realize they'll most likely go to showdown with only one pair. These are also the same people who look like they just got hit in the head with a brick when they don't hold up.

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    1. 12-15 is a pretty garbage raise from the sb after a ton of limpers

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    2. Not if you know how to play post flop it isn't. I'm trying to build a pot at that table all day every day not make $10 25 times stealing blinds. The info Tony posts is always sketchy at best. All I know is he plays pretty shallow and "a lot of $500 stacks" could mean 2 or 8.

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    3. his info as always is lacking in details

      lol@ knowing how to play postflop

      have fun with your 7 way flops in 1/2 for 12 with jj

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  6. lost $157 in the poker room, then spent $20 on a cab so i could lose $270 in sparks. - TBC

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  7. It's ok to fold there. I hate calling a all in pre flop with JJ out of position in the small blind and people behind me with big stacks still left to act.

    But you did not tell us how much money was in your stack. If you started the hand with just $40 dollars and you bet $20 and then she puts you all in for $20 more then I would call.

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