Thursday, December 11, 2014

I feel like i really butchered things awful bad here, what would u have done differently?

This will be just a short post since im tired and need sleep before checkout time (at this hotel that is). Theres a much much longer sized blog post waiting in the wings in the rough draft section but i cannot post it until i first read someone elses post, so it will have to wait. (ill probably be changing many things in the final draft u see). but its a LONG post.

tonight i was playing in the Golden nugget, and its a great game with all the cowboys in there and the new policies. there were still 3 $1-2 NL games after 3am, extremely unusual for a weekday.

i was getting quite tired because i either wanted to catch the plane out east about 7am or to detroit or new orleans or reno or rapid city and most of those left in the morning and i couldnt decide which one to take. But i wanted to go sleep while my one free night was still good so it wouldnt go to waste, so i knew i needed to get out of there. but id went from being stuck $120 to being up $108 to then being stuck again, and was tired of playing.

this is a horrible problem i need help to overcome. (playing when tired, unable to quit when i dont feel like it anymore). i think i put in too many hours.

my hourly now is barely $12 an hour too and will probably keep dropping if i stay in vegas unless i start tracking and playing $8-16 omaha.

Remember all the people who said play loose, 3 bet and bluff? im still not sure of the wisdom of that. a few hours earlier (when a different table thought i was a nit) i got away with reraising $11 raises to $51 in the BB with hands like 56 offsuit and no callers preflop. (all 3 limpers of the $11 bet folded).

still maybe i shouldnt show the bluffs?

anyway--i dont think ill ever fix that. like most of my problems--im too set in my ways.

now for the hand -- so i can log off and sleep.

one of the old guys who regularly wakes early in the morning and plays almost 365 days a year in the nugget, and who most of u would recognize by face who play there, hed just recently sat. he makes it $12, one guy calls, and i call in the BB with 56 clubs. flop comes up 344 rainbow, and he bets $30, other guy calls, and i know ill get paid off if i hit any of my 8 outs so i call. (at least i will unless he has AK).

turn comes 9. old man bets $100 and this is where i should give it up and just leave. other guy who i at first thought might have the 4 folds. now i know hes got an overpair and should fold, but i also know hes committed to paying me off if i hit, thinking it will be a safe card.

so i call. river is 9 and with the double paired board i dumbly shoved, hoping he would see the double paired board and lay down aa being no flush draw was on the flop. instead he calls with aa sure enough, and i look like the table idiot. was i?

35 comments:

  1. I would have folded my 56 from the big blind. Only two callers . . . costs you $10 more to call . . . and you're out of position. This is particularly true given post-flop play is not your strength. Your big advantage at the table usually comes from your starting hand selection and forcing others to make bad decisions based on our over-raises, etc. When you start playing hands like 56 for raises, you are going to get yourself in trouble.

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    1. "Your big advantage at the table usually comes from your starting hand selection and forcing others to make bad decisions based on our over raises, etc. "
      Understanding and following this simple advice should make almost anyone profitable at 1-2 nl in Las Vegas.

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    2. i agreed for years, but everyone said that was "too tight" and i needed to open up my game by playing more hands. many great online professionals whove made big money play those type of hands, or at least have succeeded it making it appear like they do, but maybe they were much deeper stacked when they did.

      what do u mean by "over-raises?" raises really shouldnt be out of proportion to the size of the pot, a standard raise will do.

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    3. Many online professionals may make better post-flop decisions than you do. Ask yourself this -- if that hand had taken place within the first 20 minutes of you sitting down at the table, would you have folded your 56?

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  2. if I read this right when it came to you pre flop that was $27 in the pot costing you $10 to call. You are getting 2.72 one on your money and the odds that you will flop a draw flush or straight draw are 4-1. the odds that you will flop trips or even 2 pair is approximately 29-1 and even if you do flop two pair there is a chance you end up couterfeited holding such low cards. In my opinion this is an easy fold.

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  3. How about some damn details like stack sizes! Since you never post those details that means you don't think about those things in a hand and that means you are the idiot at the table.

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    1. just because i dont post dont mean im not thinking about it

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    2. In your own words, you had only $175 left, sure don't have enough to bluff. So what the hell were you thinking then?

      If you want to bluff, check raise the turn and bet the plan. The line you took just bluff.

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    3. Oops, I meant check raise the flop and bet the turn.

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  4. You said to me once that you didn't have any leaks in your game; playing while tired, chasing too much, etc are all leaks.

    By the way I'm leaving one of my old (but still has insulation and fur trimmed hood) at Wynn poker room this morning. Go pick it up before you go to the airport. You may not necessarily listen to advice but at least don't freeze your ass off while making bad decisions. I would have given you Lightning's jacket that he left behind but it would be too big on you.

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    1. never said i had no leaks. im sure it wont be there and theyd thrown it out or turned it in to security, but ill stop by there to play instead of playing at the nugget when im fully awake enough to leave my room at the elcortez. renewed it for 1 more day today for $42. but as soon as i get 7000 points, ill use that instead and get my cash back. i shouldve listened to Gary and not always be turning in my points for freeplay, because 7000 points is worth only $14 in free play. saving them for hotel stays is far more valueable.

      good news is vince has an old jacket of mine that was found at his house neither one of us knew he had still. however it needs washed and also mom sent him some books for my Christmas she thinks mightve arrived, so i should be calling him. he had me give him $15 at the elcortez last night and said hed wash ALL the dirty clothes in his house of mine.

      Greatly appreciate the thought--but i wish ud just arranged a place to get it in person. this is going to look funny to the staff. Since id already closed the box when i went there with cooldave from the orleans Tues night, i wasnt going to be back at the wynn before catching my plane out east.

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  5. Not enough information once again.

    u see you forgot to tell us the table image of the villain (can he fold a big hand), pot size and effective stack size. Maybe you just didn't have enough chips relative to the pot size to make a good bluff.

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    1. i sure didnt have enough to bluff. had about $175 more.

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    2. I am pretty sure I know who Tony is talking about.... when this guy bets, he has it, and he won't be pushed around, he isn't great... but reading players he has played with a lot is one of his strengths.

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  6. Awful call on turn, getting 2-1 on your call with less then 5-1 to catch. You know that. You should also know how hard it is to get people to fold out overpairs at that stake.

    Yes, it was awful. Of course, you don't mention stack sizes, so it MAY be theoretically ok to make that call IF you know he's going to pay you off and IF you're playing 1k deep. But, of course you weren't.

    So, yes - you were the table idiot. And, What P3 says is correct - your strength is patient ABC poker.

    s.i.

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  7. Hey - when are you going to tell the story of your latest 86?

    s.i.

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    1. probably if u come play poker today in person

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  8. Plane id like to catch leaves about 11pm tonight and arrives about 7am. it will be cold when i get off. fare is $104 plus the cost of bags. and its nonstop

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    1. Do yourself a favor and do not come to the East coast. There is nothing here for you. Your expenses will increase and it's debatable at best whether the games are any better than Vegas / LA.

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    2. Spirit Airlines to BWI . . . good plan. Lots of affordable places to live in very safe areas. And two entire poker rooms to choose from. It will take you AT LEAST a month to get banned from both. And, as a bonus, plenty of sweet, sweet machines to mash. Can'r wait to see you at Binions Steak Friday night. First glass of Jordon Cab is on me!

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    3. doubt the cost of living is any worse than in LA. i paid $85 plus tax at commerce for $102 a nite, and i see lots of better hotels than commerce on priceline in the area for under $100 if u look. also some of the nicer hotels near foxwood are less too. and theres also a hotel for $519 a nite without their name mentioned, sure wonder which place it is. its probably whichever play u stay at.

      what i did see is the games got to much better than vegas, and theres 3 $2-2 PLO games going at once, $200-500 buyin. and of course, very short hour or 3 train rides to AC, delaware Park, Charleston and Philly or foxwoods. so a much wider choice of different places to play im not banned.

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    4. Well Tony, you consistently make good choices, so who am I to question this move. Perhaps Maryland IS the best place for a grinder with machine addiction like you . . . with no car . . . reliant on public transportation . . . afraid of minorities . . . no interests outside of gambling . . .

      Beside, the thought of you and Ding Dong at the same table at Maryland Live! going back and forth is delightful . . .

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    5. You know what would have given you the best choice? NOT GETTING BANNED AT ALL INTHE FIRST PLACE ANYWHERE. Dude, you have no clue what winter is. People freeze to death. I've heard that it can be pleasant to go that way. Do you know what DEATH is? Yeah, ok.

      The expression "ball shrinkingly cold" does not even begin to cover what the east coast in December is like.

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  9. When you play 65s for a raise, you are saying you think you have the self-discipline to fold when the price is NOT right.

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  10. guess you should have went by and picked up that free jacket...

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    1. i did make a serious attempt to--see the post below.

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  11. Don't go to east coast! Reno is your best option.

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  12. well i woke up late tonight, found tons of posts by AC about a jacket left at wynn, texts from lightning about it, and i called vince, got my things from him including other jacket, moms books for Christmas, and also an old coat he found besides the jacket. offered vince $15 a free meal and all my free play at dottys and hardrock if he would bring them tonight instead of tomorrow, in case i left town first thing in the morning.

    so he came to the elc, i left the VBJ up over $250, and we ate, then went around to all those plays. then went to the wynn to get the jacket, i wanted to play for a bit but couldnt convince Vince to come inside and stay a short while. the night floorman knew nothing about the jacket and wanted to know which floorperson she left it with, and said it must be in the office somewhere. im sorry i didnt succeed in picking it up but i wanted to make sure she seen i made an attempt (even though Vince didnt want to stop there) because i knew it meant a lot to her that i pick it up.

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  13. Tony if the thing you worry about most in this blog is if you played 56 suited correctly, and that is your biggest worry, then you have really lost the plot.

    I've said it before and I will say it again, you have serious physical and mental problems that need medical attention. You have been complaining about that tooth for almost five months now, and you still have not done anything about it. You would rather waste your time and risk your life playing dumb hands of poker.
    Make no mistake about it, the infected tooth will at the very least poison your body and leave you seriously ill, or it will kill you and then you definitely won't have to worry about it. Fucking wake up to yourself, forget about cards for a couple of days, and sort yourself out while you can.

    Koala

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  14. I would not recommend Detroit. Within the city you would not like the bus system. If you are thinking of getting around to the other card rooms outside the casinos there is really no transportation. The only places to stay downtown, that I would stay at, are expensive and I don't know of any cheap, safe options. If you stayed at anything other than the casino you would have to cab it. Detroit in the winter, and all of Michigan, is cold and snowy.

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  15. Hey TBC I know better than to suggest you do anything. I was wondering what happened to Reno. I thought the rooms were reasonable and they had good housekeeping. I also thought you had your hourly rate up to $ 16.00. You were making good money and your bankroll was healthy. I mean did you get bored with Reno or is Vegas were all your buddies hang out.

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  16. Everyone, Tony is never going to listen to any of the excellent advice you provide him with every single week. He is a lost cause. Fold the hand everyone. It's a loser.

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  17. Tony, from your Twitter I see you went and dusted off 11 Full poker buyins at VP and are now at the airport in full retreat. Even if $12 an hour was your bottom at poker in Vegas you spend 14 hours a day 365 day's a year within a 2 minute walk from a poker room. I just don't see how this was a problem? The profits tax free. You can eat 10 day's a month on poker comps. Your rent is less than 1/3 your monthly income. You have no expenses like insurance or utilities and at 15k variance should not be an issue for you over the long run. I have said this before. I have been following your blog for 2 1/2 years and I have never once seen you post ANY hand pay from VP. I know you play MUCH more VP than you let on. That might be the worst run in the history of VP. Nice job. I'm pulling for you but since there's no way for you to get away from yourself it's probably hopeless.

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  18. So did you get your ass kicked out of another casino after your latest $3200 drop? Did you abuse anymore innocent old ladies? Did you throw any more glasses, drinks, staplers or anything else? Did you call any of the staff abusive names? Did you tip the cab driver on your trip to the airport, as you once again ran away from reality? What a brilliant job of diversifying your portfolio, straight into a machine.

    Tony, I think I have just about lost any further desire to try and help you. You are seriously mentally ill and also have a gambling sickness, and until such time as someone in authority recognizes this and has you placed in a hospital, or institution where you can get help and do no harm to yourself or others, you will never change. You Sir, are heading straight back to the cardboard box.

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  19. Wow I can't believe you came to BMore in the winter. This should be interesting.

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