Sunday, January 17, 2016

Poker is a very emotional game

Swings galore here lately, but at least this is coming back up, (to more than when i left KS from my low of $12,600). the $13,800 i left with is now at $13,900+. 2 good days, (todays $200+ win and yesterdays $700+ win) really helped. most of yesterdays took place in detroit.

some important hands to talk about. one of which i had the AK and my opponent had the QK. i made the standard preflop raise to $12 using Grumps method. Flop comes K94 with 2 clubs. he checks, i bet only he called. turn comes K. he checks, i bet $50, he makes it $105, but intended to bet $100. i asked him if he would show if i fold, with no intention to of course. he doesnt reply but finally says he will. i tell him this means he is weak and call. river comes and im planning to reshove if its not a club, or a card above the 9. i didnt like the Q on the end. he bets $100 and i just call, saving money. i had him set up beautifully, (him thinking he was leading when he wasnt). then he hits the 3 outer. it was quite irritating.

most of the hands were winners though. Again i'm in the pot raising preflop with ak hearts. most of the table called so i knew id need help. flop comes 356 with 2 hearts. its checked around to the guy in front of me, who bets $40 i shoved, hoping for him to fold if he held 88-TT or similar. he didnt fold, but the others did. he held 35 for 2 pair. turn comes 6, river a. counterfeiting his 2 pair.

i got $38 in a high hand that i was surprised i got paid for because i was thinking u needed $20 in the pot. funny rule here, if u have more than $300 on the table u have to put it in your pocket. same way on the $30 for 3 hours of play 3-8am.

then one time i convinced the table i thought i turned the straight (when i was really trying to bluff). Flop was 775, all 3 of us checked the limped pot. turn comes 9. one guy i felt i could manipulate bet $5. one guy i didnt see called him without my knowledge. i check raised to $20 with TJ, gutshot 2 overs, total air in other words. he thinks but quickly folds like i figured he would. i show the bluff, but i pretended i turned the straight, saying i turned the nut straight. then the dealer asks me what im doing since seat 3 other end of the table is still in. i turn them back over, thinking for sure he would see them and call. he must of not because hes still thinking, then finally folds. everyone else swore (as i knew) the board was 779 not 789 and i didnt have the straight. i just didnt want them seeing me try to bluff right then.

dont ever try the crazy pineapple tourny in Trenton MI. its a total crapshoot, blinds skyrocket extra fast. too many rebuys.

then i had the Kt once and called a small raise preflop (u shouldnt). but i had the position. flop comes KJ9 with possible flush draw. he bets $20, one guy calls, and i call. turn comes 6, he bets $35 other guys calling again i shouldnt but do. he checks, other guys checks on the river 9 too, i do too and i win. he claims he knew id call so he didnt bet. i worried he had me beat.

i mainly took note of these hands to show the emotions that run in poker--particularly how frustrating it can be when u play the hand well but lose. (AK vs KQ)

21 comments:

  1. You don't have to react emotionally. You can choose not to. Or more precisely, you could LEARN not to react emotionally, if you wanted to.

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  2. Tony, it was painful reading your hand history. The AK vs KQ hand, you played it so badly on the turn, but you had no idea. If you thinks that he had a K with worse kicker, just shut up and 4 bet shove the turn (assuming you have less than pot size after his 3 bet). Putting you stack in when you are >90% favourite is the best way to make big profit in poker. Most people will not fold with trip K on the turn.

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    1. well i thought he either has the K (will bet again) or has total air (bluffing) and dont want him to stop by risking he folds when he will continue to bet. this is what happens if i 3 bet, and he has nothing. also had i shoved, id lost $100 more, u see, he still had $100 left in his pile after betting the next $100 on the river.

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    2. Results-based thinking at its finest.

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    3. You said you were going to flat call the riverr if a club hit. Your whole approach to that hand was awful.

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    4. In your experience, given the stack sizes, board texture and action up to his turn 3 bet, what is the % of times he has air and % of time he has the K, and % he has a boat? Your typical low limit player is going to have a worse K here majority of th time, followed by a small boat, and rarely has air. To maximize your winrate given the stack sizes, a 4 bet shove is the best move IMO. If the villain is a super laggard, then yeah, let him bluff the river, but you didn't say anything about his tendencies.

      By the way, if you raise his check raise, it is called a 4 bet. And it is a stack not a pile.

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    5. 4 bet is from LIMIT poker, not NL term. i probably overestimated the possibility of him having air. but it played a large role in my thinking. i knew the 4 bet was unneccessary since with any K he would bet the river anyway. me having position on the river is all that matters.

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    6. 4 bet is not a LIMIT poker term, but I did make a mistake in calling his check raise a 3 bet.

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    7. actually your ak play was fine as played if he has a king theres no way he doesn't bet river and call off his last hundo, the leveling of low limit poker astounds me it's not tv guys.

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  3. your bluff hand was painful to read too. You were so concerned about showing your bluff to show off, you didn't even realize the other player was still in the hand. Isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins?

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    1. Yeah, it's amazing how he's gloating about how he can "manipulate" other players when he can't even figure out how many people are in the hand.
      It's also amusing that sometimes he's so savvy he can manipulate other peoples' emotions, but then if he insults people he suddenly starts blarbling about how he can't understand other peoples' emotions so you can't get mad at him for being insulting.

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  4. Tony I don't understand what you wanted to accomplish with showing the bluff on the TJ hand, while pretending to misread the board? Were you trying to make others think that you are a fool? I guess that effect was doubled when you showed with the other player still in the hand.

    The is a webinar this afternoon at 5 pm PST by Ed Miller & Johnathan Little. It is free and it is on the topic of information paradigm in live cash games. Given what you wrote here, I think you can really benefit from the session. I already signed up.

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    1. i was in Ray's car on the way to motor city when i approved your comment, or i wouldve.

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  5. anybody know where Trenton, MI is??????? or thinking of visiting??

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  6. Me and Ray went up to Motor city today, after me leaving Hollywood up over $350, we stopped by his insurance agent and i paid his car insurance, due to expire wednesday for $60, then we both sat in the $1-2 NL with $80 each of my money. i eventually cashed out $310, while he cashed out $70.

    ive noticed Ray isnt playing a short stack nearly aggressively enough, on multiple occasions. u cannot be afraid to go allin or to be the aggressor. ive been doing this quite alot with success. Both when i do and when i do not, have a hand. in one hand, a new young kid who liked to raise big after many limps have sat down. (he had been playing a short while). in this hand theres a $4 UTG straddle. quite a few people limp, then the kid makes it $25. Ray, with about $70-80, shows me AK in the SB and folds. horrible fold imo. he shouldve shoved. K hits the flop, K hits the turn, 8 on the river. the loose asian in seat 9 wins with K8, but he sure wouldn't been willing to go allin with it for $80 to see the flop. never did see the raisers hand.

    on the way back to Toledo, we stopped at a small room in allen park, where Ray did book a winner for me, and i had a small loss. overall, quite a good day. new roll $14,500+

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    1. in Lieu of staking Ray, i remember how Pokerdogg criticized me in the past for saying that people playing stakes should be more worried they're playing their best, and not so much theyre losing their stakers money. this is what i was trying to explain to Ray as far as playing more aggressively, (being willing to shove more). he said he wouldve on his own money but was afraid to on mine, worrying he might lose my money. i spoke here (and on twitter) how its even MORE correct to make the right play when using MY money--than his own money. dont worry about losing the stakers money--SHOVE when the situation calls for it. im afraid my horse wont win if he plays my money too timid

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    2. IIRC, I thought you had a disregard for your staker's money. You weren't playing too timidly, it was the opposite, you were shoving bad cards in bad spots.

      It is not more or less correct to make the right play, whether you are playing with your own money or being staked. You should play the same either way.

      I agree in this particular spot, Ray should have shoved AK preflop.

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    3. ray has to shove. you are staking a loser. stake winners only. with your bankroll, the only person you should be staking is TBC. clearly, you can live off your poker talents. you cannot live off staking losers, machines, blackjack, hookers, women. that being said, ray is doing you a huge solid with his hospitality. helping him with bills is the right thing to do morally/practically.

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    1. Us true Christians would start the joke '2n..

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    2. yes but us "Heathans" thought that was funny

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